Really? pause at 03:45 and observe the guy in the white shirt with what is obviously an RPG. The others have what appear to be AK-47s. AK-47s are fine, but an RPG is a good enough reason to shoot someone in Iraq. F’ them. Plus what’s the intel regarding this scenario? The van could be considered overkill. that’s the only con I have.
Obviously an RPG? That’s pretty good eyesight for someone who couldn’t make out an execution on board the Gaza Flotilla. In any case, we should not be in this country killing these people in the first place. From the very beginning this war was a murderous campaign which was not necessary even in the most vivid imagination. And now we have the blood of how many Iraqis on our hands? Who knows. There are no good counts. We don’t do body counts right? Let us leave this country and try to repair the wrongs we have done there immediately. Stop killing them.
@ 03:45 the guy in the white shirt has an object approximately 2/3rds? the length of his body held by an appendage perpendicular to the length of the object, just like an RPG, the others have AK-47s. We shouldn’t be there, should leave, reasons for the war are bad etc etc. is ONE thing. But if youre assertion is that Satan flies around in AH-64s shooting random people for no good reason including… gasp.. journalists! Well, i’m gonna call B.S. on that.
One thing that strikes me about the video is that even if there were weapons held by some of the men, they were completely relaxed and obviously knew there was a helicopter flying around over their heads. However, since they were obviously not there to hurt US military personnel, they don’t seem to be worried about the possibility of being killed. This is cold-blooded murder by a group of soldiers way overconditioned by their loose rules of engagement as to who they can shoot at.
Here’s some info for you Sunn:
Fox News criticized Wikileak’s edit of the video, commenting that it slows to identify the Reuters staff and their camera equipment, but makes no effort to show “that at least one man in that group was carrying a rocket-propelled grenade launcher, a clearly visible weapon that runs nearly two-thirds the length of his body.”[12] Wikileaks did, in fact, state “some of the men appear to have been armed [although] the behavior of nearly everyone was relaxed” in the introductory text of the shorter video.[37] The Guardian stated “It is unclear if some of the men are armed but Noor-Eldeen can be seen with a camera.”[9] The Australian newspaper said the group was displaying “no obvious hostile action”.[38] The German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung said “Nothing in the images suggests the victims were terrorists or insurgents.”[39]
In an interview with Democracy Now!, Wikileaks co-founder Julian Assange responded to the investigation report released by the Army, commenting that “the tone and language is all about trying to find an excuse for the activity… It’s very clear that that is the approach, to try and find any mechanism to excuse the behavior, and that is what ended up happening.”[14] Assange also stated that the building attacked by missiles was not abandoned, and that Wikileaks had evidence that “there were three families living in that apartment complex, many of whom were killed, including women.”[14]
In an interview with Fox News Assange stated that “it’s likely some of the individuals seen in the video were carrying weapons.” He explained, “based upon visual evidence I suspect there probably were AKs and an RPG, but I’m not sure that means anything … Nearly every Iraqi household has a rifle or an AK. Those guys could have just been protecting their area.” A draft version of the video Wikileaks produced made reference to the AK-47s and RPGs, but ultimately WikiLeaks became “unsure” about the weapons and decided not to point it out in the released version.[12] An article in The New Yorker criticised the “informal” legal investigation of the US Army for omitting the fact that permission to engage was given before the helicopter crews reported seeing an RPG.[40]
Give the benefit of a doubt about the initial attack. What made my stomach turn was the watching a wounded man in agony trying to pull himself out of the street while our guys were looking for an excuse to finish him off and to kill anyone who might come to extend first aid.
I think that Jesus would identify with the man in agony. That’s what the atonement is about.
wounded bad guys sometimes get better and try to kill you later… (that he was actually a reporter wasn’t known at the time)
RM: none of these foreign newspapers you cite know anything about the events leading up to this… what intelligence the AH-64s had, what the guys on the ground knew and had communicated to the Apaches at one point in the video someone states that theyve taken fire (off camera?) you’d be able to see those muzzle flashes again, soldiers know what they look like. While most people do have AK-47s over there an RPG is a bad sign… For you the story starts when the video starts, I understand that there is more to the story, leading up to what we see in the video.
Here is the problem I have with this video – The person who is writing the commentary on this is not trying to debate the merits of going to Iraq, he is trying to smear the character of our soldiers by portraying them as murderers and cold blooded killers…
According to one of the soldiers who was there (and who has publically apologized for the second attack on the van which killed 2 children), he felt that the US troops were justified in firing on that first group because his team on the ground had just gotten into a gun fight a few blocks away immediately before this incident. Then suddenly a group of men (some of which have weapons and one of which has an RPG) start to gather not too far away?? Well I can see why their suspicions are raised and why the commanding officers would okay and order the attack. The person writing the commentary acts as if it is a fact that nothing happened prior to the video footage to have prompted this encounter, but I will take the word of a soldier who was there (the one trying to save the boy from the van) over the word of some anonymous political hack trying to push his/her agenda.
I don’t think less of the soldiers for their manner or joking attitudes. Most of them are 19 and 20 year old kids, who have to deal with some pretty messed up stuff. This is how kids cope and deal with the fact that they have just killed another human being, by joking & dehumanizing those they had to kill. Does anyone really think that these kids wanted to be over there? That they wanted to kill others? Of course not. I spent over a year in that hell hole (not as military but as a civilian) and every single kid I met over there would have rather been back in the USA with their friends and family.
Discuss the merits of whether or not we should have gone into Iraq all day long. I don’t argue that there are some legitimate points why that was a bad decision, but when you attack the soldiers for doing their job when they are sent over there by our government, when you second guess the decisions of a person who has to make life & death decisions in a split second while you sit in the comfort and safety of our homes, when you don’t have to worry about being killed at any moment by a sniper or terrorist who hides in a school yard/hospital/mosque, or even worse, who straps a bomb onto some 5 year old kid and sends him running up to you for candy… Well, that is when I have a problem.
I find the commentary and portrayal of our troops in this manner extremely offensive.
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This electronic appliance is directly targeted to those females who have much less time to handle their house in addition to job place.
The original Kindle cover had even more issues, but the latest incarnation, still leaves some
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Washing laundry devices do a wonderful job, all one needs to do is sort the laundry, placed it within, established the program and care for
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Not only is it used everyday, yet the utility room is commonly
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Some washing machines have a sud-saver alternative that conserves
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The dryer vent is checked to see any kind of build-up of mold and mildews or lint coming from the washing.
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a result of the advancements in innovation. Though, the chilly water stress are a lot more mobile, they can not be used to get rid
of oil or oil discolorations.
The Radical Mormon 
This is too horrendous for words.
Really? pause at 03:45 and observe the guy in the white shirt with what is obviously an RPG. The others have what appear to be AK-47s. AK-47s are fine, but an RPG is a good enough reason to shoot someone in Iraq. F’ them. Plus what’s the intel regarding this scenario? The van could be considered overkill. that’s the only con I have.
Obviously an RPG? That’s pretty good eyesight for someone who couldn’t make out an execution on board the Gaza Flotilla. In any case, we should not be in this country killing these people in the first place. From the very beginning this war was a murderous campaign which was not necessary even in the most vivid imagination. And now we have the blood of how many Iraqis on our hands? Who knows. There are no good counts. We don’t do body counts right? Let us leave this country and try to repair the wrongs we have done there immediately. Stop killing them.
@ 03:45 the guy in the white shirt has an object approximately 2/3rds? the length of his body held by an appendage perpendicular to the length of the object, just like an RPG, the others have AK-47s. We shouldn’t be there, should leave, reasons for the war are bad etc etc. is ONE thing. But if youre assertion is that Satan flies around in AH-64s shooting random people for no good reason including… gasp.. journalists! Well, i’m gonna call B.S. on that.
One thing that strikes me about the video is that even if there were weapons held by some of the men, they were completely relaxed and obviously knew there was a helicopter flying around over their heads. However, since they were obviously not there to hurt US military personnel, they don’t seem to be worried about the possibility of being killed. This is cold-blooded murder by a group of soldiers way overconditioned by their loose rules of engagement as to who they can shoot at.
Here’s some info for you Sunn:
Fox News criticized Wikileak’s edit of the video, commenting that it slows to identify the Reuters staff and their camera equipment, but makes no effort to show “that at least one man in that group was carrying a rocket-propelled grenade launcher, a clearly visible weapon that runs nearly two-thirds the length of his body.”[12] Wikileaks did, in fact, state “some of the men appear to have been armed [although] the behavior of nearly everyone was relaxed” in the introductory text of the shorter video.[37] The Guardian stated “It is unclear if some of the men are armed but Noor-Eldeen can be seen with a camera.”[9] The Australian newspaper said the group was displaying “no obvious hostile action”.[38] The German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung said “Nothing in the images suggests the victims were terrorists or insurgents.”[39]
In an interview with Democracy Now!, Wikileaks co-founder Julian Assange responded to the investigation report released by the Army, commenting that “the tone and language is all about trying to find an excuse for the activity… It’s very clear that that is the approach, to try and find any mechanism to excuse the behavior, and that is what ended up happening.”[14] Assange also stated that the building attacked by missiles was not abandoned, and that Wikileaks had evidence that “there were three families living in that apartment complex, many of whom were killed, including women.”[14]
In an interview with Fox News Assange stated that “it’s likely some of the individuals seen in the video were carrying weapons.” He explained, “based upon visual evidence I suspect there probably were AKs and an RPG, but I’m not sure that means anything … Nearly every Iraqi household has a rifle or an AK. Those guys could have just been protecting their area.” A draft version of the video Wikileaks produced made reference to the AK-47s and RPGs, but ultimately WikiLeaks became “unsure” about the weapons and decided not to point it out in the released version.[12] An article in The New Yorker criticised the “informal” legal investigation of the US Army for omitting the fact that permission to engage was given before the helicopter crews reported seeing an RPG.[40]
The video struck me
Give the benefit of a doubt about the initial attack. What made my stomach turn was the watching a wounded man in agony trying to pull himself out of the street while our guys were looking for an excuse to finish him off and to kill anyone who might come to extend first aid.
I think that Jesus would identify with the man in agony. That’s what the atonement is about.
wounded bad guys sometimes get better and try to kill you later… (that he was actually a reporter wasn’t known at the time)
RM: none of these foreign newspapers you cite know anything about the events leading up to this… what intelligence the AH-64s had, what the guys on the ground knew and had communicated to the Apaches at one point in the video someone states that theyve taken fire (off camera?) you’d be able to see those muzzle flashes again, soldiers know what they look like. While most people do have AK-47s over there an RPG is a bad sign… For you the story starts when the video starts, I understand that there is more to the story, leading up to what we see in the video.
Here is the problem I have with this video – The person who is writing the commentary on this is not trying to debate the merits of going to Iraq, he is trying to smear the character of our soldiers by portraying them as murderers and cold blooded killers…
According to one of the soldiers who was there (and who has publically apologized for the second attack on the van which killed 2 children), he felt that the US troops were justified in firing on that first group because his team on the ground had just gotten into a gun fight a few blocks away immediately before this incident. Then suddenly a group of men (some of which have weapons and one of which has an RPG) start to gather not too far away?? Well I can see why their suspicions are raised and why the commanding officers would okay and order the attack. The person writing the commentary acts as if it is a fact that nothing happened prior to the video footage to have prompted this encounter, but I will take the word of a soldier who was there (the one trying to save the boy from the van) over the word of some anonymous political hack trying to push his/her agenda.
I don’t think less of the soldiers for their manner or joking attitudes. Most of them are 19 and 20 year old kids, who have to deal with some pretty messed up stuff. This is how kids cope and deal with the fact that they have just killed another human being, by joking & dehumanizing those they had to kill. Does anyone really think that these kids wanted to be over there? That they wanted to kill others? Of course not. I spent over a year in that hell hole (not as military but as a civilian) and every single kid I met over there would have rather been back in the USA with their friends and family.
Discuss the merits of whether or not we should have gone into Iraq all day long. I don’t argue that there are some legitimate points why that was a bad decision, but when you attack the soldiers for doing their job when they are sent over there by our government, when you second guess the decisions of a person who has to make life & death decisions in a split second while you sit in the comfort and safety of our homes, when you don’t have to worry about being killed at any moment by a sniper or terrorist who hides in a school yard/hospital/mosque, or even worse, who straps a bomb onto some 5 year old kid and sends him running up to you for candy… Well, that is when I have a problem.
I find the commentary and portrayal of our troops in this manner extremely offensive.
GENERAL PRACTITIONER cell phone monitoring is expanding in popularity among consumers.
This electronic appliance is directly targeted to those females who have much less time to handle their house in addition to job place.
The original Kindle cover had even more issues, but the latest incarnation, still leaves some
things that the Kindle proprietor might find annoying.
Washing laundry devices do a wonderful job, all one needs to do is sort the laundry, placed it within, established the program and care for
various other residential jobs. Using a magnetic washing system, dust comes off without utilizing rough chemicals to make sure that the fabric preserves its softness while it is clean.
Not only is it used everyday, yet the utility room is commonly
small. When material is dry and will stop as necessary, sensing unit drying ensures you never over dry your
clothes as the Siemens IQ-300 WT46E389GB understands.
Some washing machines have a sud-saver alternative that conserves
rinse water for making use of in the following laundry tons.
The dryer vent is checked to see any kind of build-up of mold and mildews or lint coming from the washing.
GENERAL PRACTITIONER mobile phone tracking today is
a relatively easy and also inexpensive process as
a result of the advancements in innovation. Though, the chilly water stress are a lot more mobile, they can not be used to get rid
of oil or oil discolorations.