We don’t fight against democracies do we Mr. President…

Ether 8
23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.
24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.
25 For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies; even that same liar who beguiled our first parents, yea, even that same liar who hath caused man to commit murder from the beginning; who hath hardened the hearts of men that they have murdered the prophets, and stoned them, and cast them out from the beginning.
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4 Responses to “We don’t fight against democracies do we Mr. President…”


  1. 1 Forest Simmons December 16, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    When John Perkins says that the “Jackals” are the second option (between economic hit men and military) he is referring to the CIA.

    I just finished reading an book by Jennifer Harbury, “Truth, Torture, and the American Way,” about how the CIA has been using torture with impunity throughout the nearly sixty year of its existence.

    There doesn’t seem to be any way to stop them.

    Perhaps if enough people became aware of the secret combinations that have gotten above us …

    Or would they argue in favor of the CIA’s use of these works of darkness?

  2. 2 theradicalmormon December 16, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    That’s the problem. We didn’t rise up in protest at the Abu Graib torture scandal and we didn’t rise up in protest of the torture done in our names in secret facilities to which people were renditioned. We have come to the position the Nephites were found in the end of Helaman 6:

    38 And it came to pass on the other hand, that the Nephites did build them up and support them, beginning at the more wicked part of them, until they had overspread all the land of the Nephites, and had seduced the more part of the righteous until they had come down to believe in their works and partake of their spoils, and to join with them in their secret murders and combinations.
    39 And thus they did obtain the sole management of the government, insomuch that they did trample under their feet and smite and rend and turn their backs upon the poor and the meek, and the humble followers of God.
    40 And thus we see that they were in an awful state, and ripening for an everlasting destruction.

  3. 3 Kevin December 16, 2009 at 11:53 pm

    Thank you for those verses, trm. Mormon truly did see our day.

  4. 4 Forest Simmons December 18, 2009 at 12:13 am

    More in the same vein from 3 Nephi 6:
    21 Now there were many of the people who were exceedingly angry because of those who testified of these things; and those who were angry were chiefly the chief judges, and they who had been high priests and lawyers; yea, all those who were lawyers were angry with those who testified of these things.

    [Note some those angry against the truth had been high priests.]

    22 Now there was no lawyer nor judge nor high priest that could have power to condemn any one to death save their condemnation was signed by the governor of the land.
    23 Now there were many of those who testified of the things pertaining to Christ who testified boldly, who were taken and put to death secretly by the judges, that the knowledge of their death came not unto the governor of the land until after their death.
    24 Now behold, this was contrary to the laws of the land, that any man should be put to death except they had power from the governor of the land—
    25 Therefore a complaint came up unto the land of Zarahemla, to the governor of the land, against these judges who had condemned the prophets of the Lord unto death, not according to the law.
    26 Now it came to pass that they were taken and brought up before the judge, to be judged of the crime which they had done, according to the law which had been given by the people.
    27 Now it came to pass that those judges had many friends and kindreds; and the remainder, yea, even almost all the lawyers and the high priests, did gather themselves together, and unite with the kindreds of those judges who were to be tried according to the law.
    28 And they did enter into a covenant one with another, yea, even into that covenant which was given by them of old, which covenant was given and administered by the devil, to combine against all righteousness.
    29 Therefore they did combine against the people of the Lord, and enter into a covenant to destroy them, and to deliver those who were guilty of murder from the grasp of justice, which was about to be administered according to the law.
    30 And they did set at defiance the law and the rights of their country; and they did covenant one with another to destroy the governor, and to establish a king over the land, that the land should no more be at liberty but should be subject unto kings.


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