Withdraw our troops from Iraq and Afghanistan now!

The above is a chart stolen from the Washington Post of civilian deaths caused by the US in Afghanistan.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2008/07/25/GR2008072500493.html?sid=ST2008072500498&pos=list

It seems that during my hiatus from the outside world during my recent move, the western press has started to pay modest attention to US military massacres of Afghanistan civilians a little bit more.  There’s the above chart from the Wa. Post and there’s also an article from MSNBC:

KABUL – U.S. and NATO military officials in Afghanistan have launched investigations into three separate U.S.-led airstrikes that Afghan officials say killed at least 78 civilians this month.

The investigations come during what U.N. and Afghan officials say is one of the deadliest years for civilians since the war began. In the first six months of this year, the number of civilians killed in fighting has increased by nearly 40 percent over the same period last year, according to U.N. data.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25844505/

When the initial Afghan government report came out showing that our boys massacred a wedding party full of women and kids along with the bride, there was not a peep to be found in any major US media outlets and there was just a small article in the UK daily, The Independant.  It’s apparently not very newsworthy in the USA.

Obama has stated his policy of reducing troop levels in Iraq and sending those troops right on over to Afghanistan, but my guess is that the more troops we have over there, the more guns we will have pointing at Afghanistan civilians… especially since we can’t even tell the difference between Taliban fighters and a wedding party full of women and children. 

Our military always talks about taking every measure to reduce civilian collateral damage, but what we are doing over there is just plain old wrong.  We drop bombs on whole neighborhoods in search of the so-called bad guys.  In the first place, this sort of technique would never be tolerated in the USA.  Is it ok to drop a bomb on a neighborhood because we heard there was an escaped convict there?  And then cry foul because the escaped convict was hiding among civilians?  thus making the deaths the fault of the bad guys since we can’t help where the bad guys hide now can we?

In the second place, these so-called bad guys are often normal joes who have been so impacted by the US military presence (had family members killed by the US etc.) that they have taken up arms to protect what they have left. 

Let’s get the heck out of there.  Iraq and Afghanistan.  There’s no difference.  We should have stayed out of both places to begin with. 

You want another reason to get out of these places?  How about this one:  We killed a 14 year old boy who was fetching keys for his dad, an Iraqi newspaper editor. 

According to the U.S. statement, American troops were trying to recover a disabled vehicle in Kirkuk on Wednesday when multiple shots were fired at them from the taxi. One soldier was wounded, it said.

“The soldiers returned fire, killing a young Iraqi man in the taxi,” the military said, adding that Iraqi police later detained the driver.

Taha insisted his son was not armed and said he didn’t believe the taxi driver was either.

“My son was only 14 years old,” he told The Associated Press. “He is neither a terrorist, nor a gun carrier. He didn’t even know how to use a pistol. The only thing he knew how to use was the computer.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25854694/

We do way too much killing over there and we need to get out yesterday so another life is not lost to our protectors of freedom and democracy. 

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6 Responses to “Withdraw our troops from Iraq and Afghanistan now!”


  1. 1 patricksperry July 26, 2008 at 7:03 am

    Did you perhaps have your head stuck in the ground? It was all over the news. At least here in Colorado. So much so that I will not even bother posting links.

    Americans do not glory in innocent, or even “guilty” deaths. War is not what anyone ever wants. Especially those that have to fight those wars. Bad things happen in all wars.

    From this blogs title it appears that you are of the LDS. Should I hold all Mormons accountable for the deaths of Irish immigrants at the hands of Mormons and their Indian allies? For crossing land that treaties had been made that allowed for? I don’t think so, not for a second.

    My Son has been to Afghanistan for three tours. He truly cares for the people there. You imply that Americans, such as my Son would just as soon kill the people there. I submit that you have an agenda, and that nothing will ever please you. Nothing at all, ever.

  2. 2 theradicalmormon July 26, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    Patrick,
    You said, “Americans do not glory in innocent, or even “guilty” deaths. War is not what anyone ever wants. Especially those that have to fight those wars. Bad things happen in all wars.”

    I say: Therefore lets stop these wars in which we have caused so much sufferring where there was no sufferring before. Sure Iraq and Afghanistan were under undesireable regimes before, but in no way, shape or form were they being killed on a daily basis like they are now by both sides apparently. The longer we are over there, the longer we prolong their sufferring.

    I mean to imply nothing about your son, however, your son is unwittingly participating in a massive murder machine, of which there is abundant evidence.

  3. 3 theradicalmormon July 26, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    Patrick,
    By the way, I did have my head in the sand as I was moving for a week and had no contact with the internet. However, before that, when the initial Afghanistan government report came out on the wedding attack, the US press ignored it completely. The US press has been picking up the ball late over the last week, several days after the original report. The initial report was reported in the BBC on 7/11. I’d challenge you to show me a link on a US news report of this incident in the major news outlets from all of those links you don’t bother to post. Here’s the BBC link:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7501538.stm

  4. 4 theradicalmormon July 26, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    Patrick,
    In a google search:

    http://news.google.com/news?as_q=afghanistan+47+civilians+killed&svnum=10&as_scoring=r&sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBF_enUS240US240&tab=wn&ned=us&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_qdr=&as_drrb=b&as_mind=10&as_minm=7&as_maxd=13&as_maxm=7&as_nsrc=&as_nloc=United+States&geo=&as_occt=any&aq=f

    for 7/11-7/13 I’m finding mentions of the massacre in places like “Voice of America”, Mother Jones, Democracy Now, a tiny mention in USA Today and a few other nickel and dimers. UPI and Reuters picked up the story, but the NY Times, the Washington Post, NBC, ABC, CBS and the other major news outlets in the US apparently thought the topic was not newsworthy at the time.

  5. 5 Kevin July 29, 2008 at 1:06 am

    I wonder how many millions must shed their innocent blood into the dust of the earth before our Just God turns his sword against the empire that is shedding it?

  6. 6 theradicalmormon July 29, 2008 at 5:04 am

    I don’t think it will be too much longer. If you are of my faith, then you must know the scripture in Ether 8 which says:

    23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.

    The above scripture doesn’t give a timeline but surely it will not be long. As the Lord said in 3 Nephi 16:

    15 But if they will not turn unto me, and hearken unto my voice, I will suffer them, yea, I will suffer my people, O house of Israel, that they shall go through among them, and shall tread them down, and they shall be as salt that hath lost its savor, which is thenceforth good for nothing but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of my people, O house of Israel.

    Surely these things are not far off.


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