Loyalty to Israel, McCain’s idiotic middle-east policy, racism in Israel and more

Man, there is so much going on lately it’s hard to keep up with it all.  First of all, the Jewish lobby in the USA is demanding loyalty to Israel from all presidential candidates.  Clinton’s representative said at a recent forum:

“The role of the president of the United States is to support the decisions that are made by the people of Israel. It is not up to us to pick and choose from among the political parties.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/17/AR2008031702440.html

I thought the role of the President was to support the decisions of the people of the USA!  Guess I don’t understand roles as well as I should.  Obama decided to play that role well in his recent speech on  race when he said:

“[Rev. Wright] expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country – a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.”

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashos.htm

Hmmm.  So the whole problem in the middle east is the Palestinians then.  I see.

John McCain agrees with Clinton’s representative on this regard.  He is in Israel right now spewing for this sort of talk:

“I really think that we should understand that the US and Israel are partners. Israel is not a client of the United States,” he said. “If you are partners, then you don’t dictate what you think the terms of the survival of a nation should be.”

Asked whether Israel was using the right tactics in trying to quell the rocket fire on Sderot and the western Negev, Mr McCain praised Ehud Barak, the Israeli defence minister – terming him “one of the great military people” he has met. He added: “I can’t give you a good answer as to how you respond to these rocket attacks.”

But, he then said dryly, “I can tell you that I believe that if rocket attacks came across the border of the United States of America, that the American people would probably demand pretty vigorous actions in response. I think I know my constituency in the state of Arizona, and they would be pretty exercised if rockets came across our southern border.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/19/wmccain119.xml

Did someone forget to mention to him that we neither occupy Canada or Mexico, nor do we currently continue to steal their land, invade them with our army, kill them on a regular basis and imprison thousands of their people, some without charge for years?  Did someone forget to tell McCain that if our land was occupied by Mexico or Canada and they treated us half as cruelly as Israel treats Palestinians, that we would be lobbing a lot more than homemade rockets over the border? 

Then McCain took the liberty of turning the attention to Iran saying that Iran is “obviously pursuing nuclear weapons”, completely forgetting about our recent NIE, which was far from perfect, but did exonerate Iran from that charge for the time being. 

McCain is also trying to create a fictitious relationship between Iran and Al Queda, a relationship that no serious intelligence analyst will back, as for the second day in a row he hinted exists:

“Al Qaeda and Shia extremists — with support from external powers such as Iran — are on the run but not defeated.”

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/03/19/mccain-camp-again-links-al-qaeda-to-iran/?mod=googlenews_wsj

This statement was not stopped by Joe Liberman this time and was meant to stand.  I guess we can see what to expect from a McCain presidency then.

While McCain was touting Iranian backed “terrorism” as the arch nemesis of the US and Israel, Cuba and Iran were voicing complaints against US backed terrorism in Iran (the MEK) and Cuba (Jose Luis Posada Carriles).

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsMaps/idUSN1931619020080319

Also today from the Haaretz we have this:

Hebron and Kiryat Arba Chief Rabbi Dov Lior plans to issue a halachic ruling forbidding Israeli Jews from rent apartments to Israeli Arabs or Palestinians or to employ them.

In an interview with “Eretz Israel Shelanu” (Our Land of Israel), a pamphlet distributed in synagogues before Shabbat, Lior was quoted as saying it was “mortally dangerous” to do so, as proved by the terror attack at the Mercaz Harav Yeshiva. It was thus forbidden to hire Arab workers not only in yeshivot “but also in factories, hotels or anywhere,” he said.

Never mind that 20% of the Israeli population is Arab.  They also came out with this:

In a related story, Mossawa, the Advocacy Center for Arab Citizens of Israel, released a report Wednesday that found Israeli Jews to be more supportive of the deportation of Israeli Arabs.

The report warned that ideas such as population exchange and racial segregation for Israeli Arabs are gaining support among Jews. It also warned that several Jewish politicians are gaining influence based on a platform of racial hatred.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1205420728926&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Hmmm, deportation, racial segregation, putting all of the Arabs into a big concentration camp.  Sounds an awful lot like Nazi policy against the Jews in WWII doesn’t it?

Among all of this nonsense, Hamas has come out with its talking points for a ceasefire thusly:

Haniyeh’s demands include an end to Israeli military activity in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip, including an end to assassination strikes against Hamas officials.

He also want Israel to lift its economic sanctions against the enclave and reopen Gaza’s borders, which have been sealed since Hamas seized control of the area last June.

http://www.thecanadianpress.com/english/online/OnlineFullStory.aspx?filename=w031236A&newsitemid=53920026&languageid=1

Does this not sound entirely reasonable?

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24 Responses to “Loyalty to Israel, McCain’s idiotic middle-east policy, racism in Israel and more”


  1. 1 Emanuel Appel March 21, 2008 at 3:36 am

    Gee, booby, it must be tough to see the JEWS WIN!

  2. 2 Jonathan March 21, 2008 at 4:01 am

    Boy, it must really burn you up to see Jews being treated fairly.

    “steal their land, invade them with our army, kill them on a regular basis and imprison thousands of their people, some without charge for years? ”

    You’re kidding, right? Do you ever gag as you swallow that much propaganda?

  3. 3 theradicalmormon March 21, 2008 at 5:14 am

    Win? The Jews are losing the only thing that counts amigo. As Christ said:

    “For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?”

    Noone wins when this type of situation exists.

  4. 4 theradicalmormon March 21, 2008 at 5:15 am

    Jonathan,

    You said, “You’re kidding, right? Do you ever gag as you swallow that much propaganda?” Would you care to show me where I am misled?

  5. 5 Abu Zaynab March 21, 2008 at 5:40 am

    Nice article. Hopefully the American public will wake up and see that our government is for us not for Israelis and that we should not give bilions of tax dollars to support such a regime that, as you rightfully said: “steal their land, invade them with our army, kill them on a regular basis and imprison thousands of their people, some without charge for years.”

  6. 6 theradicalmormon March 21, 2008 at 7:04 am

    Abu,
    Thanks for commenting. I’m with you there. Some serious changes in the dissemination of information in this country is going to have to take place before we see our compatriots wake up though.

  7. 7 Danny March 21, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    “Rev. Wright] expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country”
    I think it is your view that is profoundly distorted

    “He also want Israel to lift its economic sanctions against the enclave and reopen Gaza’s borders, which have been sealed since Hamas seized control of the area last June”.

    And you say this is reasonable???? A government who is open about it’s intention to destroy Israel and you think the borders should be open for these bombers to come and go as they please???

    Sure I have simpathy for the Palestinian people because every human deserves to have a good life so if people such as Saudi Arabians who purchase cool vehicle number plates for 15-20 million US dollars each built hospitals, schools, etc, etc in the Palestinian lands the population would not need to depend so much on Israel for employment. But no, cool number plates are more important and it makes the Palestinian population easy to recruit for suicide bombings etc
    You live in Disneyland if you can’t see that Israel holds the moral high ground.

  8. 8 theradicalmormon March 21, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    Danny,
    I believe that what Hamas means when they say they want the border opened, is that they want the seige (which was imposed after they were elected to power in 2006) or the economic blockade to end. They are not asking Israel to let bombs through.

    Your type always brings up the destruction of Israel by Hamas. However, Hamas political leaders have repeatedly stated that they seek a two state solution and would accept living side by side with Israel within 1967 borders.

    On the other hand, it is Israel that not only openly talks about bringing about a “shoah” on the heads of Palestinians, but also actively pursues the destruction of Palestinians.

    Your point about Saudis not building schools in Palestine is taken. Other Middle eastern nations have not been as helpful as they should. However, this is not Saudi Arabia’s responsibility under Geneva Conventions as it is with Israel. Israel has the responsibility to provide the lands it occupies with security. Instead it has provided death and destruction.

  9. 9 Emanuel Appel March 22, 2008 at 3:27 am

    Hamas has repeatedly said that they want the destruction of Israel.

    Mormon, don’t lie. It goes against your religion or is lying what makes you radical?

  10. 10 theradicalmormon March 22, 2008 at 5:40 am

    My religion teaches me to bring works of darkness to light. That’s why I talk a lot about Israel. I have not told a lie here.

  11. 11 Emanuel Appel March 22, 2008 at 5:43 am

    Then you are the work of darkness, Mormon.

    Hamas specifically calls for the destruction of Israel. They don’t lie but you do.

    You cover for your arab pets but even they can’t cover for you.

  12. 12 theradicalmormon March 22, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    sigh. It would be nice if commenters here would use facts with sources to back up their assertions. I never said that Hamas doesn’t call for the destruction of Israel. However, political Hamas does not have that for their objective right now. They have repeatedly stated that they are willing to have side by side states within the 1967 borders.

    On the other hand, as is readily evident, Israel is actively destroying Palestine and has been for 40 years. Get real Emmanuel.

  13. 13 Non-Arab Arab March 23, 2008 at 2:39 am

    Yo Appel: you say Hamas “calls for” the destruction of Israel, you completely ignore the fact that Israel *HAS* destroyed Palestine. Are you saying actions matter less than words?

    But hey, as long as we’re on words, why not read Hamas in their own words:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-marzook10jul10,0,1675308.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail

    Seems to me Marzook is pretty clearly saying he does recognize Israel exists, his problem is in accepting that Israel’s crimes are ok. I don’t expect Native Americans to accept what the US government did to them is ok, why are you asking Palestinians to do so?

  14. 14 theradicalmormon March 23, 2008 at 5:10 am

    Emanuel,

    For example: We have this article here from the Guardian in 2006, entitled: “Hamas drops call for destruction of Israel from manifesto”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/jan/12/israel

    We also have the words of their leader in exile, Meshaal who has said this:

    “The [Hamas] statute does not in fact call for the destruction of Israel. In Arabic, it says: `End the Israeli occupation of Palestine’. We don’t want to eliminate them, only to obtain our rights. For that reason, the paragraph remains.”

    “Our message to the Israelis is this: We do not fight you because you belong to a certain faith or culture. Jews have lived in the Muslim world for 13 centuries in peace and harmony; they are in our religion “the people of the book” who have a covenant from God and his messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him), to be respected and protected.” “Our conflict with you is not religious but political. We have no problem with Jews who have not attacked us — our problem is with those who came to our land, imposed themselves on us by force, destroyed our society and banished our people.”

    It is also important to note that the Hamas political platform doesn’t mention the destruction of Israel as is spoken of in this Haaretz article:

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=669006&contrassID=1&subContrassID=1

  15. 15 Emanuel Appel March 23, 2008 at 5:50 am

    “The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that. Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgement Day. This being so, who could claim to have the right to represent Moslem generations till Judgement Day?” From the Hams Charter

    Now, since you’re rather simple, it says that all of Israel is Moslem and will be reconquered.

    Their words and their actions say it but you like to paint black white.

    I suppose you learned that in church. Doesn’t say much for thsoe who taught you.

  16. 16 theradicalmormon March 23, 2008 at 7:15 am

    Emanuel,

    I am not unaware of this Charter. However, they have repeatedly stated that they will be satisfied with a two-state solution. To speak to you truthfully, I also would be for the destruction of an entity that was trying to destroy me. Who can blame Hamas for having that in their charter? Hamas has been around how long, 20 or 30 years? So, their charter was not even on paper yet when Israelites were openly talking about “transfering” all Palestinians out of Palestine and the destruction of Palestine. Let’s put the shoe on the other foot. What does Palestine have to fear from the very inception of Zionism from their new, greedy neighbors? Read ’em and weep Emanuel.

    “The Zionists made no secret of their intentions, for as early as 1921, Dr. Eder, a member of the Zionist Commission, boldly told the Court of Inquiry, ‘there can be only one National Home in Palestine, and that a Jewish one, and no equality in the partnership between Jews and Arabs, but a Jewish preponderance as soon as the numbers of the race are sufficiently increased.’ He then asked that only Jews should be allowed to bear arms.” Sami Hadawi, “Bitter Harvest.”

    “In internal discussion in 1938 [David Ben-Gurion] stated that ‘after we become a strong force, as a result of the creation of a state, we shall abolish partition and expand into the whole of Palestine’…In 1948, Menachem Begin declared that: ‘The partition of the Homeland is illegal. It will never be recognized. The signature of institutions and individuals of the partition agreement is invalid. It will not bind the Jewish people. Jerusalem was and will forever be our capital. Eretz Israel (the land of Israel) will be restored to the people of Israel, All of it. And forever.” Noam Chomsky, “The Fateful Triangle.”

    “Joseph Weitz was the director of the Jewish National Land Fund…On December 19, 1940, he wrote: ‘It must be clear that there is no room for both peoples in this country…The Zionist enterprise so far…has been fine and good in its own time, and could do with ‘land buying’ – but this will not bring about the State of Israel; that must come all at once, in the manner of a Salvation (this is the secret of the Messianic idea); and there is no way besides transferring the Arabs from here to the neighboring countries, to transfer them all; except maybe for Bethlehem, Nazareth and Old Jerusalem, we must not leave a single village, not a single tribe’…There were literally hundreds of such statements made by Zionists.” Edward Said, “The Question of Palestine.”

    “Following the outbreak of 1936, no mainstream (Zionist) leader was able to conceive of future coexistence without a clear physical separation between the two peoples – achievable only by transfer and expulsion. Publicly they all continued to speak of coexistence and to attribute the violence to a small minority of zealots and agitators. But this was merely a public pose..Ben Gurion summed up: ‘With compulsory transfer we (would) have a vast area (for settlement)…I support compulsory transfer. I don’t see anything immoral in it,'” Israel historian, Benny Morris, “Righteous Victims.”

    “That Ben-Gurion’s ultimate aim was to evacuate as much of the Arab population as possible from the Jewish state can hardly be doubted, if only from the variety of means he employed to achieve his purpose…most decisively, the destruction of whole villages and the eviction of their inhabitants…even [if] they had not participated in the war and had stayed in Israel hoping to live in peace and equality, as promised in the Declaration of Independence.” Israeli author, Simha Flapan, “The Birth of Israel.”

    “The acceptance of partition does not commit us to renounce Transjordan; one does not demand from anybody to give up his vision. We shall accept a state in the boundaries fixed today. But the boundaries of Zionist aspirations are the concern of the Jewish people and no external factor will be able to limit them.” David Ben-Gurion, in 1936, quoted in Noam Chomsky, “The Fateful Triangle.”

    In Israeli Prime Minister Moshe Sharatt’s personal diaries, there is an excerpt from May of 1955 in which he quotes Moshe Dayan as follows: “[Israel] must see the sword as the main, if not the only, instrument with which to keep its morale high and to retain its moral tension. Toward this end it may, no – it must – invent dangers, and to do this it must adopt the method of provocation-and-revenge…And above all – let us hope for a new war with the Arab countries, so that we may finally get rid of our troubles and acquire our space.” Quoted in Livia Rokach, “Israel’s Sacred Terrorism.”

    “The Arabs will be our problem for a long time,” Weizmann said, “It’s not going to be simple.One day they may have to leave and let us have the country. They’re ten to one, but don’t we Jews have ten times their intelligence?” Zionist leader Chaim Weizmann in 1919 at the Paris peace conference, quoted in Ella Winter, “And Not To Yield.”

  17. 17 Emanuel Appel March 23, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    “Emanuel,

    I am not unaware of this Charter. However, they have repeatedly stated that they will be satisfied with a two-state solution. To speak to you truthfully, I also would be for the destruction of an entity that was trying to destroy me.” radical mormon

    Words in the middle east as well as those coming from your mouth are totally unreliable. That’s why their charter and their actions are a better guidleline than your analysis.

    The fact is that Israel has never shown any interest in “destroying” the arab, just the desire to live side by side. However, a fight has to be fought to the end. Very well, if that is what it takes…

    However, at least learn to tell the truth rather than paint the most vicious as if they were angels of peace.

  18. 18 Non-Arab Arab March 23, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Emanuel, way to go off on a tangent proving you think actions matter less than words. And please, try telling 4 million innocent refugees created by Israel, thousands of massacre victims, thousands of torture victims, tens of thousands of unjustly imprisoned individuals, hundreds of thousands of destroyed olive trees, hundreds of villages (including churches and mosques and cemeteries) wiped off the map, and tens if not hundreds of thousands of wounded your bizarre totally out of left field statement that “Israel has never show any interest in “destroying” the arab”. Israel “destroys” “the arab” every day and has as either a state or a series of colonialist-terrorist movements for over a century. Or do you still say actions matter less than words?

  19. 19 Emanuel Appel March 23, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    Well, if self defense don’t matter, send me your mother – Ill **** *** ** ***** to pay for your white sins

  20. 20 theradicalmormon March 23, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    Emanuel, I’ll ask you to keep your comments respectful here, though I fear that the culture you come from might preclude that.

  21. 21 Non-Arab Arab March 24, 2008 at 12:58 am

    Self-defense Emanuel? So, then given that Palestinians have been murdered in far greater numbers than Israelis, and given that Palestinians have been and are being ethnically cleansed by Israelis, I do presume you believe (like you claim as Israel’s right) that Palestinians also have a right to armed self-defense? Right, I mean, that is the only logical conclusion from your statement, so you do believe that right? Or are you just making a blatantly hypocritical argument and saying that you only consider Israelis human beings with a right to self defense and that Palestinians have no such right?

  22. 22 Non-Arab Arab March 24, 2008 at 2:30 am

    So what you’re saying then Emanuel is that you have been proven wrong and now have nothing intelligent to add?

  23. 23 theradicalmormon March 24, 2008 at 4:50 am

    Emanuel’s last comment has been deleted for it’s complete lack of input toward any intelligent comment on the subject at hand, for foul language and immoral innuendo. One more comment like that and Emanuel will be disallowed to comment here again.

    Non-Arab Arab. Thank you for commenting here, sorry that my guest has used such dishonorable language to you. Please accept my apology.

    Emanuel, we would all appreciate it greatly if you have anything intelligent to say then say it. Otherwise, keep your foul insults for someone elses mother on another site and be forever banned from commenting here again.

    I am sorry to see a Zionist behaving so dishonorably and falling into the stereotype of a filthy-minded racist with no principles or apparent morals for a foundation. Must we assume that Emanuel’s character is representative of the character of all Zionists?

    Zionists of good moral standing, come forth and show yourselves so that we can talk man to man, as gentlemen, and come to some understanding on the horrible catastrophe your philosophy has wrought upon the Palestinians.

  24. 24 theradicalmormon March 24, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    Emanuel has chosen to ban himself from this site with another offensive comment. Goodbye Emanuel.


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