Israel is the biggest pusher for getting the US into military conflict with Iran

There is a nice article in the Asia Times today regarding Israel’s pursuit of military action against Iran with US support or getting the US to do it for them.  He starts out the piece with a quote that speaks volumes: 

“We are in no danger at all of having an Iranian nuclear weapon dropped on us. We cannot say so too openly, however, because we have a history of using any threat in order to get weapons … thanks to the Iranian threat, we are getting weapons from the US and Germany.”
– Israeli author, Martin van Crevled, June 2007.

I think this is fairly accurate.  In the first place, whoever would be dropping bombs on Israel would be wiping out Palestinians as well.  And it is true that Israel gets huge amounts of money and weapons from the US.

The author of this article shows us how the Iraq war was sold on the WMD’s and ties of Saddam to Al Queda (recently completely debunked forever):

WASHINGTON (AFP) — A detailed Pentagon study confirms there was no direct link between Iraqi ex-leader Saddam Hussein and the Al Qaeda network, debunking a claim President George W. Bush’s administration used to justify invading Iraq.

The US administration on Thursday tried to bury the release of the study, limiting distribution of the report and making it available only at individual request and by mail — instead of posting it on the Internet or handing it out to reporters.

Coming five years after the start of the war in Iraq, the study of 600,000 official Iraqi documents and thousands of hours of interrogations of former Saddam Hussein colleagues “found no smoking gun (i.e. direct connection) between Saddam’s Iraq and Al Qaeda,” said the study, quoted in US media.

Now will Bush and Cheney be impeached for this?  Doubtful, as long as we have our current spineless leadership in congress.  Remember how Bush talked in the old days?

Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and top aides have insisted there were links between Saddam and Al-Qaeda, citing the alleged ties as a rationale for going to war in Iraq.

“The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al-Qaeda is because there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda,” he told reporters in June 2004.

Isn’t there anyone who can make a motion for impeachment on this criminal?

The author of the article then goes on to show how that same arguement is being made today, saying that every terror group under the sun has ties to Iran (except for the MEK of course, who is our terrorist group terrorizing Iran currently… oh and except for Jose Luis Posada Carriles and Orlando Bosch who blew up the Cuban airliner killing 73 people who currently live in Florida without prosecution).

But, of course, the Israelis and their infinite reservoir of support in the US would rather the world fall into a Nietzschean “sham of forgetfulness” on how aptly, and cunningly, they sold the perception of Saddam Hussein’s ties to al-Qaeda and even his direct connection to the September 11, 2001, atrocities.

Although the US government has conclusively found no evidence of such connections, the various pro-Israel pundits who excelled in their assignment to propagate that false image, refuse to acknowledge their error, let alone recant.

Chief among the latter is an Israeli-turned-US citizen, Laurie Mylroie, who was given free access to the US media as a “terrorism expert” prior to the US’s invasion of Iraq, advertising her book on Saddam and September 11, time and again repeating the line that the September 11 attacks “had to be sponsored by a state”, that is, Iraq.

In compensation for a job well done, Mylroie landed a full professorship at a US university, despite the fully questionable and empirically refuted nature of her unfounded allegations against Saddam. Who knows, maybe she is even the recipient of an Israeli medal of honor for her unique salesmanship of war.

So, I looked up a little blurb for you of this chick’s bio in wikipedia.  It says this:

Laurie Mylroie (born 1953) is a U.S. author who has written several controversial and heavily criticized books on the subject of Iraq and the War on Terror. Notably, Mylroie contends that the Iraqi government under Saddam Hussein sponsored the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and many subsequent terrorist attacks. She is one of a few commentators who has consistently held that Iraq was complicit and involved in the September 11th Attacks and subsequent anthrax postal attacks. Notably, her writings are viewed as being influential among neoconservatives during the buildup to the 2003 invasion of Iraq.[1]

Mylroie earned a doctorate in Political Science from Harvard University and was employed in the school’s Government Department. She was an associate professor at the U.S. Naval War College, and an Iraq consultant for Bill Clinton during his 1992 campaign for President.

She is now an adjunct fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.

Ah, that bastion of truth and democracy, the AEI.  She’ll do well there I think.

So, the clever Israelis and their friends have mounted a serious campaign to convince the world that Iran is in bed with the Taliban and also with al-Qaeda, as well as with practically “every terror group opposed to the US”, to paraphrase Under Secretary of State Nicholas Burns at his recent talk at Harvard University.

We have all seen these allegations.  Israel would like us to believe that Hamas and Hezbollah are just the mindless servants of Iran and act in behalf of Iran to thwart the peace process.  The author concludes thusly:

In conclusion, the waning months of the George W Bush administration represent a golden opportunity for Israel to ignite another Middle East conflict that, in essence, is rooted in Israel’s structural inability to make peace with the Arab and Muslim world.

In spite of the increasing reluctance of many to head for military action against Iran, I must agree with the author that military action is still entirely possible before we get a democrat into office.  Heaven forbid.


12 Responses to “Israel is the biggest pusher for getting the US into military conflict with Iran”

  1. 1 Abe Bird March 13, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    I totally don’t except your interpretation to the Iranian Israeli conflict. Iran Shiites don’t care the Sunni Falsetinain Arabs a damn inch. Iran extremists are willing to nuke Israel, Europe and the US if they could. Iran is a kind of suicide bombing state. The western world as a whole has the sacred duty to prevent the nuke from Iran in any way.
    I’m sure that not only Israel is talking about the necessity to hold Iran back but lot of European and ME Arab countries are standing ready to help the US to deal with the Iranian problem.

    And yes…. “Hamas and Hezbollah are just the mindless servants of Iran and act in behalf of Iran to thwart the peace process”. Hezbollah is the Shiite strong hold of Iran is the other side of the ME and Hamas is a rented soldier as long as Israel exists. But when and IF the Iranian Shiites will achieve their mission to ethnically clean the ME from Jews and other minorities, sure they will change their policy and fight the Hamas too.

  2. 2 theradicalmormon March 13, 2008 at 8:40 pm


    You’re entitled to your opinion, however, your opinion is not based on solid evidence. Iran has never given voice to a mission to ethnically cleanse the ME of Jews. You find me where Iran has said that and then we can start talking. Iran has threatened noone with military action, which is completely different from the US and Israel with their nuclear stockpiles, who threaten Iran on a regular basis. Come back when you have some facts.

  3. 3 Danny March 14, 2008 at 2:38 am

    Abu Abir, a spokesman for the Popular Resistance Committees:
    ‘The only way that Israelis will have security is to get up and leave Palestine. All Palestinians will chase after every last one; we won’t leave them space to bury their dead.

    This is the first of many acts that the Palestinian resistance promised and started to carry out, so do you think the Iranians have a softer approach??

  4. 4 theradicalmormon March 14, 2008 at 2:46 am

    Iran has issued no threats against Israel except for the one from the Defense minister who said that under Bush pre-emptive doctrine, Iran would be justified in attacking Israel as Israel is openly talking about attacking Iran. Other than that, Iran has repeatedly stated that they have no military intentions against Iran.

    On the other hand Israel threatens Iran with violence every week. As for the Palestinians statement, it would have been more fitting had an Israelite said it since it describes well the policy of Israel in committing a “shoah” in Gaza.

  5. 5 Abe Bird March 14, 2008 at 10:52 am

    I see that we debate the very basic facts. No wonder your view on ME issues is quite different than my view. What solid evidence you need more than the Iranian thrive for nuke and the on going declarations of high officials Iranian leaders? I can’t understand how you missed these facts for years?!

    Basically you have to acknowledge that extreme Muslims cults, such as Iran’s mullahs, AlQaeda, Hezbullah, Hamas, Muslim brothers and more put their priority to fight the “Judeo-Christian world”. Israel is the closest and immediate target for Iran (and of course Hezbullah and Hamas). Iranian “revolutionary guards” people already act from Gaza helping and encouraging the Arab Palestinian to expand their terror ability and to keep terrorize Israel.

    Since the first day of Ahmadinajad in office he says time and again that his main goal is the destruction of the “Zionist entity” / Israel from the face of the earth / from the map / Israel ‘will be removed’.

    It’s abnormal situation that pass calmly in the daily political agenda of the western democracies. No actual actions were made against Iran for these unforgivable declarations. Taking into account that Iran is already involved in terror actions against Israel (the 2 explosions in Buenos Aires in the 90th, “revolutionary guards” and Hezbullah in Lebanon and now Gaza. in direct engagement in Arab Palestinian terror. See some occasionally links. There are hundreds more:

    “filthy bacteria”:

    Iranian Nazi Ritual:

    BBC anti-Israeli known station:
    (see the whole parts)

    Hamas aims to destroy Israel:

    More on Hamas:
    Hamas MP Fathi Hammad: We Used Women and Children as Human Shields

    You are turning facts upside down. In one hand you erase all many expressions of the last 3 years that deny the very righteous of Israel to exist made mainly by Iranians, Hezbullah and Hamas leaders, and on the other hand you provoke with non-facts about how presumably “Israel threatens Iran with violence every week”. On what planet do you live?

    Any way, I’m glad that you justified the very principal that one country can attack the other one because the ‘other one” is “talking about attacking” the first one. Israel sure congratulates your principal that “allows” her to operate her forces in any proper way in order to dismantle the Islamic fascistic threats on her back.

  6. 6 Battal Agha March 14, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    Now, I do not know where do you live you Radicalmoron!!! The declared objective of the sucker Ahmadinejad is to ELIMINATE Israel. He says it openly and you are the only one who does not seem to hear it. Believe me, most of the sunni arab countries would love to se an American/Israeli action to prevent Iran from developing nukes. These countries have no guts to go out in the open and say it. But they are in deep s…t!!!

  7. 7 theradicalmormon March 14, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    You people have been completely swindled by your media! Show me where he has stated it is his objective to eliminate Israel and then we can start to talk. Nowhere has he said such a thing. Here is what he has said:

    TIME: You have been quoted as saying Israel should be wiped off the map. Was that merely rhetoric, or do you mean it?

    AHMADINEJAD: People in the world are free to think the way they wish. We do not insist they should change their views. Our position toward the Palestinian question is clear: we say that a nation has been displaced from its own land. Palestinian people are killed in their own lands, by those who are not original inhabitants, and they have come from far areas of the world and have occupied those homes. Our suggestion is that the 5 million Palestinian refugees come back to their homes, and then the entire people on those lands hold a referendum and choose their own system of government. This is a democratic and popular way. Do you have any other suggestions?

    TIME: Do you believe the Jewish people have a right to their own state?

    AHMADINEJAD: We do not oppose it. In any country in which the people are ready to vote for the Jews to come to power, it is up to them. In our country, the Jews are living and they are represented in our Parliament. But Zionists are different from Jews.

    mistranslations of the Farsi he spoke on several occasions have been used heavily to promote war with Iran, but the fact of the matter is that he has never said anything like what we are accusing him of:

    In this article the author points out that where Ahmadinejad had been interpreted as saying:

    “Israel must be wiped off the map”

    He should have been interpreted as saying:

    “this regime that is occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time.”

    Also, where he is quoted to have said:

    “There is no doubt: the new wave of assaults in Palestine will erase the stigma in [the] countenance of the Islamic world.”

    He should have been interpreted:

    ”I have no doubt that the new movement taking place in our dear Palestine is a wave of morality which is spanning the entire Islamic world and which will soon remove this stain of disgrace from the Islamic world.”

    Also, where he said:

    “that the ‘main cure’ for crisis in the Middle East is the elimination of Israel.”

    what he really said was:

    “The real cure for the conflict is the elimination of the Zionist regime, but there should be an immediate ceasefire first.”

  8. 8 theradicalmormon March 14, 2008 at 8:50 pm


    You should read the sources you link me to before you provide them as proof to back your statements up. The Wikipedia link you provided has a nice discussion of the translation that has sparked this ridiculous talk of war with Iran:

    “Ahmadinejad’s phrase was ” بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود ” according to the text published on the President’s Office’s website.[11]

    The translation presented by IRIB has been challenged by Mr. Arash Norouzi, who proposes that the statement “wiped off the map” was never made and that Ahmadinejad did not refer to the nation or land mass of Israel, but to the “regime occupying Jerusalem”. He says that the Iranian government News Agency IRIB/IRNA translation is the source of the myth:

    One may wonder: where did this false interpretation originate? Who is responsible for the translation that has sparked such worldwide controversy? The answer is surprising. The inflammatory ‘wiped off the map’ quote was first disseminated not by Iran’s enemies, but by Iran itself. The Islamic Republic News Agency, Iran’s official propaganda arm, used this phrasing in the English version of some of their news releases covering the World Without Zionism conference. International media including the BBC, Al Jazeera, Time magazine and countless others picked up the IRNA quote and made headlines out of it without verifying its accuracy, and rarely referring to the source. Iran’s Foreign Minister soon attempted to clarify the statement, but the quote had a life of its own. Though the IRNA wording was inaccurate and misleading, the media assumed it was true, and besides, it made great copy.[12]

    According to Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, Ahmadinejad’s statement should be translated as:

    The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).[13]

    Norouzi’s translation is identical.[12] According to Cole, “Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to ‘wipe Israel off the map’ because no such idiom exists in Persian”. Instead, “He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse.”[14]

    The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translates the phrase similarly.[15] On June 15, 2006 The Guardian columnist and foreign correspondent Jonathan Steele published an article based on this reasoning.[16]

    Sources within the Iranian government have also denied that Ahmadinejad issued any sort of threat.[17][18][19] On 20 February 2006, Iran’s foreign minister denied that Tehran wanted to see Israel “wiped off the map,” saying Ahmadinejad had been misunderstood. “Nobody can remove a country from the map. This is a misunderstanding in Europe of what our president mentioned,” Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference, speaking in English, after addressing the European Parliament. “How is it possible to remove a country from the map? He is talking about the regime. We do not recognise legally this regime,” he said.[20][21][22]”

    A more viable solution to what Ahmadinejad said is then discussed as follows:

    “Iran’s stated policy on Israel is to urge a one-state solution through a countrywide referendum. Juan Cole and others interpret Ahmadinejad’s statements to be an endorsement of the one-state solution, in which a government would be elected that all Palestinians and all Israelis would jointly vote for; which would normally be an end to the “Zionist state”.[32]

    In November 2005 Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Khamenei, rejecting any attack on Israel, called for a referendum in Palestine:

    We hold a fair and logical stance on the issue of Palestine. Several decades ago, Egyptian statesman Gamal Abdel Nasser, who was the most popular Arab personality, stated in his slogans that the Egyptians would throw the Jewish usurpers of Palestine into the sea. Some years later, Saddam Hussein, the most hated Arab figure, said that he would put half of the Palestinian land on fire. But we would not approve of either of these two remarks. We believe, according to our Islamic principles, that neither throwing the Jews into the sea nor putting the Palestinian land on fire is logical and reasonable. Our position is that the Palestinian people should regain their rights. Palestine belongs to Palestinians, and the fate of Palestine should also be determined by the Palestinian people. The issue of Palestine is a criterion for judging how truthful those claiming to support democracy and human rights are in their claims. The Islamic Republic of Iran has presented a fair and logical solution to this issue. We have suggested that all native Palestinians, whether they are Muslims, Christians or Jews, should be allowed to take part in a general referendum before the eyes of the world and decide on a Palestinian government. Any government that is the result of this referendum will be a legitimate government.[33]
    Ahmadinejad himself has also repeatedly called for such solution.[34][35][36][37] Most recently in an interview with Time magazine:[38]

    TIME: You have been quoted as saying Israel should be wiped off the map. Was that merely rhetoric, or do you mean it?

    Ahmadinejad: […] Our suggestion is that the 5 million Palestinian refugees come back to their homes, and then the entire people on those lands hold a referendum and choose their own system of government. This is a democratic and popular way.”

    Additionally, Ahmadinejad has been quoted as saying the following:

    “Just as the Soviet Union was wiped out and today does not exist, so will the Zionist regime soon be wiped out.[24]”

    Clearly, the Soviet Union was not wiped off of the face of the map by military obliteration. Clearly, the regime that controlled it melted away as the tides of change came along. That is what Ahmadinejad is saying about the Zionist regime as well. He does not threaten Israel militarily and never has. In fact, in Iran’s history, it has never attacked another country! Whereas on the other hand, Israel and the USA are addicted to attacking other countries.

    Truly, it takes great discipline and conditioning to not see that which is so obviously evident. We are truly a very brainwashed people.

  9. 9 Abe Bird March 16, 2008 at 9:05 am

    I’ve read the source I linked. Real all my sources please and get the whole ballanced picture.

    The fact that high official Iranian leaders say the intension free and clear is undaubtable. The problem with you is that you are basicaly Anti-Israel and Pro Falsetinain ProPALganda from the start, and I have to bring enormous amount of relevant links to refute you huge irrelevant, lies and missguided information. Later on I’ll bring some more information.

  10. 10 theradicalmormon March 17, 2008 at 1:29 am

    That is the conclusion that always comes out whenever I speak with someone like you. I show you how wrong things are, as plain as the nose on your face and then your type says, “well, you’re just anti-semitic and a jew hater.” This is complete BS. It would be fair to say that I’m pro-peace and pro-common sense and pro-justice and fairness, but those stances are always the ones that get me called anti-semitic by people like you.

    Abe, instead of the enormous amounts of links, could you produce a little at a time so that I can refute you methodically without having to write a thesis on everything that has ever been written about Ahmadinejad? Thanks, I’d appreciate it.

  11. 11 PHIL THE MOOR March 17, 2008 at 9:17 am

    since when did iean become such a threat?? cmon i thought it was iraq being public enemy number 1??? who’s next egypt becuz the Pharoahs violated the Jews eons ago??? cmon people you just cant kill off millions due to your all encompassing fear of dudes with turbans and/or thick lips and wide noses for that matter??

  12. 12 theradicalmormon March 17, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Amen Phil, amen.

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