US backed coup to occur against Chavez before 12/2?

Stephen Lendman has written very nice article over at Informationclearinghouse on the possibilities of a US backed coup against Chavez of Venezuela possibly to occur before the December 2nd referendum on the addendums to the Venezuelan Constitution. 

I have to agree with him.  There is much that is happening now that looks like deja vu of events that happened before the coup of 2002.  The wild exagerations of street protests by the media and the attacks of anti-Chavez people against pro-Chavez people etc.  There is also the recent defection of his Defense Minister who conceivably could be pegged for running the coup and taking over an interim government. 

The Constitutional reforms will be voted up or down by the Venezuelan voting population and are being debated all over the country in a most impressive display of democracy. 

I know that Chavez has been planning on arming the people into militias so that the people would be empowered to take back their government if a military coup did indeed take place.  I don’t know if that has taken place yet or not.  I guess that arms shipments and so forth are still pending. 

I don’t agree with everything that Chavez does, but I stand in awe of his democratic reforms.  The people truly have power in Venezuela and appear to be headed for more empowerment with the upcoming referendum likely to pass.

Viva Chavez!

Please see this good article here:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18755.htm

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6 Responses to “US backed coup to occur against Chavez before 12/2?”


  1. 1 CRC November 21, 2007 at 7:58 pm

    Having been raised in a very conservative Mormon home I was always taught that socialism and communism (commune-ism) were inherently evil and that free market capitalism and democracy are the only God endorsed way for a nation to structure itself. I still feel that is true under the assumption that elected leaders are honorable human beings with the best interested of we the people in mind… however, given the incredible situation that we find ourselves in where our nation and most of the nations of the world have been taken hostage by a secret cabal of satanic bastards I must say that some of the other options are looking better and better.

    I have been impressed with much of what Chavez has said in the talks that I have heard him give. He certainly feels the same way about Bush that I do. I actually feel a pretty good spirit about him as a person. I think he sincerely cares about his people. I would trust him much more than a Bush or a Chaney.

    Viva Chavez!

  2. 2 theradicalmormon November 22, 2007 at 5:56 am

    CRC,

    Thanks for coming by. Yes, I too have received a lot of grief among members of the Church for my views on socialism. In short, I believe that the best government is God’s government, but short of that, I don’t see any problem with the creating of laws that govern property in a nation. My opponents often give me the robbing of free agency line in socialism, but then you could argue the same for any law which restricts the freedom to commit sin. I don’t buy it.

    I feel differently about totalitarian socialist governments. They are as bad as any totalitarian government. However, in Venezuela, where the President enjoys the backing consistently of nearly 2/3 of the population… and where the democratic process puts that of the USA to shame in a huge sort of way… I think that socialism or a social democracy is perfectly reasonable considering their circumstances. He has done so much good for his people and he is fighting wealth and elitism and pride, the same bad actors we see in the Book of Mormon. And of course he is fighting American Imperialism.

    I’m with you. Viva Chavez!

  3. 3 Non-Arab Arab November 25, 2007 at 5:02 am

    As I’ve said before, I am definitely sympathetic to the populist voice. How can anyone look at the wealth gaps and abuse of power in most developing nations and not recognize that something is severely wrong and needs to be fixed? That said, I don’t believe in saying viva any politician. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I don’t have the knowledge beyond oil to get into a debate on Chavez and Venezuela, I am just extremely uncomfortable with anyone having that much power especially when the “ground rules” of the system (as is the case in most developing countries) are not genuinely agreed upon and a 2/3 level of support grants any leader the ability to make ground-rule changes that will last far beyond his/her tenure and which are very likely to be more a reflection of perceived needs now than genuine needs for the long haul (and thus be very hard to change later when the need to change them arises).

    So I am wary. And in the one field where I do know something, I see Chavez as having a very mixed record. On the one hand his export diversification schemes make a good deal of strategic (though not necessarily economic) sense. But on the extremely important front of maintaining the industry so that it will remain productive for the future, sorry but Chavez is an abject failure. One step after another PDVSA is going down the tubes. Production is in steady, consistent decline with little hope of ever improving. The refineries are falling apart at the seams and the country increasingly has to import key gasoline components instead of exporting. This robs future generations of the money they will need. Sometimes just because one has legitimately gained and maintained power, that doesn’t mean they should – for the greater long run good – use it all.

  4. 4 theradicalmormon November 26, 2007 at 2:11 am

    It is true that power corrupts. However, where the people have the power, corrupt leaders can be removed. Venezuela has a vibrant, living democracy that puts many so-called democracies to shame. The constitution as it presently stands was fashioned by the people after the rough draft was presented by the government. In the USA, we can vote for people who then decide our laws, but we don’t have a chance to change something we don’t like about what our politicians are doing and when things do go to a referendum, it is a simple up or down vote. In Venezuela, the way the constitution presently stands, the people have the chance from the bottom up to participate in the whole process.

    The beauty of Chavez’s rule is that he has created a system in which the people who placed him there have the power to remove him from his position too. That is what happened in the recall referendum of (I forget exactly what year that was). He had it written into the constitution that he could be recalled if the people got enough signatures for a recall. The vote, of course, was 60% against a recall at that time.

    The current proposed constitutional ammendments too have been voted on 3 times by parliament and have passed each time. The proposed changes do allow for Chavez to be reelected indefinately, but that is no different from many democracies in the west, for example, Australia which just voted Howard out of a 5th term. Most of the talk of Chavez consolidating power is western media propaganda. For the most part, Chavez is empowering the people to greater participation in the electoral and lawmaking process.

    I rarely say viva any politician myself. There are not many in the world today I would say that about. Rafael Correra is one possibility though he has not yet proven himself. Chavez is the only one now that I can think of that I have a good deal trust in at this time. He is not perfect, but he does great good for his people and as such I say again:

    Viva Chavez!

  5. 5 Non-Arab Arab November 26, 2007 at 3:06 am

    Well, I can’t really get into details, I don’t know enough to say either way. Just on principle, one should never say viva anyone, it gets to their heads, it’s inevitable. Even leaders I like are best kept humble.


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